The Current State of World Affairs | Murray N. Rothbard

A speech by Murray N. Rothbard, recorded at the 1989 Texas State Libertarian Conference.

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TRANSCRIPT

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great to be back here out of the Texas
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ope convention with an Austin so I
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remember the years fade away but I
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remember was it was very pleasant and
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it’s great to be here again
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I guess I’m slated for a current affairs
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topic and a lot of fantastic things
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happening in the world huh well you
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wouldn’t know it from the National Party
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I’ll get back to that later what’s
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happening in the world is that the
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literally we’re really living through a
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road what the historians call
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revolutionary moment in history it’s
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like something like living through the
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French Revolution and fortunately we
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were living in it for a fairly safe spot
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we can kind of watch it on TV
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my favorite way of watching revolution
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but what we’re seeing is literally a
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collapse of the big movement of the 20th
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century namely socialists we’re seeing
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the death of socialists the throws and
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the of the socialism was the big
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movement of the 20th century these big
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ideological political movement and what
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we’re seeing at the end of the 20th
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century there’s was a very exciting time
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in which to live because we’re seeing
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the collapse of social revolution era
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implosion socialism the ro8 what was but
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what happened was that over the last
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several centuries starting the 17th and
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going up to the 18th 19th century we had
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a a march of upward march not not of
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course every day but basically upward
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march of freedom and the death of the
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old order which was state of them and
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serfdom and slavery and the theocracy
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and rising up from this was muck within
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the audio bin dividual freedom and the
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institution of individual freedom
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personal freedom religious freedom
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political freedom economic freedom free
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markets and with that came international
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peace replacing more custom dynastic
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wars and the territorial conquest and
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the rise for the first time in history
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of mass consumption there were standards
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of living not only increasing fan of the
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living
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venez are living they were actually
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rising from subsistence level where the
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general public a by stuff this is
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unusual unique in world history the old
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age didn’t buy stuff you can go to the
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store and buy storage it wasn’t the
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housewife
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you bought clothes if you have money and
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the housewife of so the clothing and
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stuff and that was the the idea of mass
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production for them for a consumer
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market as an industrial revolution
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concept of the product of the free
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markets of the 19th 18th 19th centuries
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so what you had I mean just saying the
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growth in the span of living doesn’t
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doesn’t really encompass that it’s at
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the beginning of a real living standard
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and with this you have a tremendous
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progress in the whole area the
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civilization and economics and and
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personal liberty and technology which
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goes along with it
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and and so the 19th century would leave
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with the breaking through of this
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several century old movement of what we
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call classical liberals of course those
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they didn’t they didn’t call classical
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we call a classical because it sort of
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died out and we’re trying to essentially
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restore it and and this this liberal
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movement was rising everything was going
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great in the Liberals at the time or
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very optimistic I think was well they
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should be and then something happened
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and glitch happened something happened
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on the way to where if Nirvana and
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there’s something that happened was the
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growth of for the development socialism
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which was a brand brand-new idea in
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human history and the socialist idea
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which really sprouts in 1813 1840s and
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in Europe was that we can still have
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this because the only the previous
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opposition the classical of both me on
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the opposition to freedom was not
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position defense of the old water
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there’s specifically anti industrial
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anti mass consumption movement the idea
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of keeping the Lord’s and the Dukes in
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the Earl’s and they have places and then
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and then the state churches
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keeping their power in the position it
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was a specifically frankly an anti
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general freedom movement and anti-dust
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remove Minh well a socialist came
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alongside look we can do both things we
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can have we can have the same thing do
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we can have higher standards living for
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my part will have better than Kevin
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liberalism or capitalism does it we can
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have a high
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the vast expanse of living we can have
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freedom and we have everybody be happy
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and so forth some we can do it through
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state control you have better better
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better ways through sadism and we can
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have them time I have more state control
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them before we’ll have the people state
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instead of having a class state of a few
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people running it a few Dukes and Kings
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after we can have a whole people
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collectively running the people so this
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concept of collectivism is a brand new
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thing and it sounded great and was
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generally supported by many folk whose
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either yearn for the old order or try to
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blend the two Limbo’s and anti
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liberalism to one higher allegedly
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higher synthesis and so by the end of a
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19th century if you go read some of the
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classical liberals it’s it’s a sad thing
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because the classical liberals late 19th
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century around 1900 saw the whole thing
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and cracking socialism on the March and
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the general public was backing it the
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general public previously had backed
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libertarianism or classical liberalism
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we were a mass movement in the 19th
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century and England much of a continent
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and the United States we had the votes
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we were a living here we had Libertarian
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Party so to say not the name of the
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actual content well by the late by 1890s
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or 1900 they said might we’re closing in
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the shades are we’re closing in and and
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Herbert Spencer and other classical
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liberals running the time I’m very
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pessimistic I got a whole thing a shot
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civilization has had it and as such they
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were right I saw was like they forecast
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for Sullivan the terror of the 20th
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century the Google architect of the 20th
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century anyway by the by 1900 or so the
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general opinion so call intelligent
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opinion was socialism’s morally correct
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that’s right it’s morally correct that
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social justice will be imposed a
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separate separate through consistent
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collectivism and the only problem was
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well at work
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there weren’t people weren’t sure would
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work so radical and new but the thing is
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social has a captured a conquer of the
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high moral ground everybody agree that
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they’re morally morally correct we’re
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just a certain practicalities haven’t
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cleared up yet well if you haven’t if
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you’re in a situation where everybody
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says and general opinion and
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intellectuals etc say that the socials
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are right or they’re morally corrected
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just we’re not sure it will work the
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next step in Evin it will next step is
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okay us but
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try it let’s evil work or not and that’s
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the best what’s happened on the 20th
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century sums up the funniest century
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story of course over Bolshevik
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Revolution and well let it work I was I
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grew up with a grow-op of 1930s 1930s
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the general view was well of course
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there’s certain excesses in Russia
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people laugh few people got the head
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chopped off but that’s what’s it’s a
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noble experiment we let’s see if
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especially a social experiment worse
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we’ll have to see you know at the way
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didn’t see let’s see if but you know the
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famous phrase in those days was in order
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to make an online you have to break some
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eggs first the people who wear the eggs
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and liked it too much but who cares if
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you have a wonderful collective omelette
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which we can all week in okay well
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anyway we now have a record okay I mean
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after the 20th century is essentially
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and say a process of socialism working
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itself out and by the way does I see no
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difference really between socialism and
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communism I felt the same thing by the
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way this was the view of eating the
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original socialist of eighteen thirties
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and forties to them socialism communism
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are interchangeable terms and it’s only
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later in the twentieth century when the
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fruits of socialism began to be pretty
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bitter people didn’t like the fact we
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got slave labor here and and then mass
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murder and then socials the United
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States and said well if that’s not our
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socially we didn’t we didn’t plan on
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that we want democratic socialism with
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freedom and free speech nor live just we
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want collective ownership of the means
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of production so the idea of the
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so-called democratic socialism was a
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cop-out we’re socialized refused to
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accept the consequence of their own
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their own policy in action and in World
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War two
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and that’s a hi a growth rather wrote
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the Road to Serfdom this is a big thing
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if you read it now see what kind of
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clunky it seemed to be sort of and
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everybody agrees on this but they didn’t
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agree on at the time and when he wrote
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the road the syrup in nineteen forty
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three forty four this is a revolutionary
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statement cuz what he said was there
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ain’t no such thing as democratic
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socialism
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you have government ownership and
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planning of means of production if you
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plan if you have government planning the
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economy means everybody’s life is being
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planned you can’t have free speech we
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have their mark
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you can have freedom of the press be an
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assembly or expression if you have
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government ownership and control the
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means of production essentially what he
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said in those days was bitterly opposed
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by most right thinking upstanding
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rethinking people and now turns out a
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member show evidence is this going
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walnuts this is now agreed upon with
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everybody almost everybody certainly the
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communist country the green Rihanna but
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you said that economic freedom and free
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markets go hand-in-hand with personal
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freedom and freedom of the press and
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freedom of expression the well what
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happens is that but the record of
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socialism piling up after World War two
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becomes pretty obvious of slave labor
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camps gulags concentration camps mass
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murder genocide a central cetera begin
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to have a kind of a weakening of the
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position here that the legitimacy the
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high moral ground beget the crumble own
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that and the big and and and and
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probably get pinion and general
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intellectuals in separate begin to
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realize there’s something morally bad
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about socialist doesn’t really give the
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high moral ground here and the I don’t
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know what happened I think it’s also
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important or true to realize here that
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the what happens over history we think
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of it and at a time we think of every
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day today things are not happening no
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changing the taking place look at the
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scenes still seen jerks and power
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Democrats Republicans looks as if
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nothing’s really happening it don’t
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change the sort of frozen system well
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it’s become it continues quote frozen
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unquote for a long time
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a small tensions developed disagreements
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conflicts and suddenly this is what
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happened what’s happening now to coming
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this country suddenly bingo like that
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somebody suddenly eruption like the
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French Revolution nothing much was
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happening in France were about 80 years
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more more status than people grumbling
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etc etc and suddenly some trigger and
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the end up and the is an eruption of
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womanly pent-up tensions and extend and
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conflicts that have been piling up so
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now what happened and by having the
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communist countries the original
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revolutionary generation
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began to die out if you’ve committing
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your whole life to a car they were up on
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the gorilla gorilla warfare on the hill
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or whatever you are and you take you
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seize power in the countries and Russia
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and Cuba or whatever or in China you’re
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the original and revolutionary
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generation is committed to it a murder
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when people are not committed to it one
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thing only the people were the
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dissidents and the guys are beginning a
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question get sentence late labor camera
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get their good killed and so these guys
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continue to be committed to the cause
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until they die out and I’m not in favor
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of death you understand but at a certain
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certain sociologically the older
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generation of the people the
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revolutionary leadership die at the
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younger people coming up and I’ve not
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come into they’ve sort of born into the
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system it’s a big difference between
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fighting in the hills and marching down
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and taking over and seizing power it’s a
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very heavy thing the seized power I can
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put up a lot of a lot of heartache in
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him and starvation except especially if
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you’re on the ruling in elite you don’t
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get the scar be anyway you’re in pretty
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good shape and so being in the rolling a
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lead and having found of the the losses
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revolutionary society you’re going to be
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committed to it for life in general but
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the new people coming up as the next
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generation succeed generation they’re
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not committed to they’ve been born in it
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and the fascinating thing is that you
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know the totalitarian one of the lessons
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of the current situation of the
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totalitarianism doesn’t work this
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doesn’t work because these people were
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brought up in Russia and China and the
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separates ever brought up from the years
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zero to accept but listen to Willis crap
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again it from the meaningfulness from
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the government-run educational system
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down with a local block level you owe
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your life to the society you’re the
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slave of the state a separate separate
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and it doesn’t take great thing is it
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doesn’t take and freedom is an that is
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obviously a natural condition of mankind
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and just erupts you can’t crush the
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spirit or freedom it’s just magnificent
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so the 1984 the or well the overall doom
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and gloom messengers worth a great book
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but just that’s not true but it doesn’t
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work you can’t suppress the spirit of
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freedom that’s we’re finding out I
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remember Warren uh when I shine ease
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communists first took over a 1950’s or
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so those of
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I think the Yugoslavs a very interesting
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movie about China communist China and
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well I saw the movie and very
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interesting because the interview was
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talking to her allegedly average Chinese
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Communist family and they said they
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asked the mother father what would you
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like your kid to be when he grows up and
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they said well we want for the kids to
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be the obedient subject of the
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government the state of people state
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it’s a pretty chilling thing to watch
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and I said my selfies it really truly
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really really brainwashed this whole
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nation there really truly the man kind
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of been transformed the so-called new
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socialist man have been created which is
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just unwilling robots to the state
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apparatus and I asked a friend of mine
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at the time we’ve just been released he
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had been the state department in China
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he then turned during the Korean War and
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put into the China exper’ence was really
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true the truth of Chinese them totally
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brainwashed we have a new a new
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socialist man who come us man emerging
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he said I don’t worry about it because
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China is an old tradition with several
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government official comes to town you
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tell him what he wants to hear I mean in
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Lee’s town you go about your business
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again so with Internet and it’s a
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marvelous things a wonderful thing a way
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people can adapt and yet to keep their
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much of their in personal integrity and
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so of course it turns up turns them back
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turns out to be true so the new
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generation coming up they hear about
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Marxism Leninism well I don’t they don’t
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believe it’s crap anymore and about 10
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years ago or so or a Ravenel the
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libertarian foreign policy expert went
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to Russia for the first time in many
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years visited Moscow’s way before any
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kind of glass notes or perestroika and
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he came back I spoke to me so you know
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it’s a fantastic thing nobody in Russia
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believes in Marco doesn’t anymore nobody
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overall has the people bigshot little
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shots whatever nobody believes junk
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anymore but so what began to happen as
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as the generations continued had a bunch
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of people in power who sort of operating
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by inertia and wanting to keep their
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power on this plate there’s no more
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legitimacy on the Parliament they had no
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more legitimacy
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no more Marxism Marx and Lenin and fili
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lip-service and once you use what you
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lose your legitimacy you lose your
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I’m legitimacy so to speak the rest the
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the collapse of the system becomes
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inevitable especially if the system
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doesn’t work in my next point I mean
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there was the moral legitimacy of them
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socialism is finished it’s certainly
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finished in the communist country
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they’re not finished unfortunately in
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the West the only Marxist lever and
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marking universities Western European
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University oh they began to being a joke
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it’s not much of a joke so I’m a
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political joke that’s a pretty good
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number less and among economists is
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violence by the nineteen fifties and
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sixties when most economists within the
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West were still Keynesian two semi
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socialists and and the joke was an
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intern at International Economic
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conferences the economics from the
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communist countries are talking about
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the virtues of the free market and the
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economists in the West were talking
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about original government planning okay
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well so that’s that’s this kids keep
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going on escalating and and what you
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have is in the communist countries where
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it’s obvious first they lose the moral
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legitimacy and the revolutionary
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enthusiasm nothing sees got anything
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other than work just doesn’t work you
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know get mass prosperity have mass
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starvation and a grinding crummy system
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keeps you know on and I could get any
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consumer goods at all sold gray and
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miserable coming and they don’t want to
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live in a coming world and they see this
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they think the interchange with us these
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other people are pretty good shape and
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why can’t we have the same sort of thing
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in this and this and the realism and
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they want they’re committed and the
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communist countries are committed
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Industrial Revolution are committed to a
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modern industrial economy they realize
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they can’t get it with under social and
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just can’t get it become this come
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painfully obvious at the time as time is
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going on and so with what’s happened is
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that there’s a collapse of legitimacy
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and followed now by collapse of
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obviously the economy and they’re
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reaching out the trying to get to get
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rid of it how do we get rid of the damn
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status especially the questions and
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they’re coursing through the whole
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Eastern Europe and then coming as
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countries in general there’s a trauma is
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a marvelous little story in Los Angeles
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every day something new happen they’re
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just reading review of a book I guess by
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water will occur
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yup review of books and was about hoods
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of this as an expert accountant I can’t
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man Russia and the guy the reviewer said
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well the interesting book was written
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just came out it was written in late
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1988 and so obsolete now so much has
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happened well the little stuff the guy
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says now rendered I’m true by events so
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that because I mean but hammer the
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Revolutionary period fantastically
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radical change the dunk sham ping used
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to be a liberal reformer he started the
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movement total free market in China
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about 10 years now reactionary Pig
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repressing the people he has the same
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views we have a fortress the offensive
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have chased them very much like the
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French Revolution and just hasn’t caught
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up with the other you have to have you
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want to have a free market a modern
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industry have to have you have that free
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expression of free speech Free Press
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he doesn’t hasn’t realized that yet of
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course he’s cracking there’s also an old
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Guardsmen another I mean he’s even one
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of the long march people one thing about
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China by the way is that as everybody
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knows and I think we should emphasize us
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the leadership is all our only upper 80s
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or early 90s maybe the youngster the
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young liberalism about 75 I mean if this
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works the only thing that attracted me
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about coming as China’s if I were if I
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were coming Sean but I’d be a brilliant
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teenage youth leader
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so these guys gonna disappear pretty
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soon and the other people are not
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committed for the revolutionary
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generation didn’t march from Yemen or
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whatever in 1937 I’m not yeah I wasn’t
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gonna be very different I think the
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forces of freedom I’m gonna win out so
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so the line I said what – I wonder
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fascinating our home in Los Angeles
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Times a few months ago is this a guy was
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in Moscow born in Russia – American
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citizen for many years and set up for
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the first time in Russia a copy center
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we don’t know about copy centers there
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although in place this is a
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revolutionary plan can’t know how do you
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have a copy center on a company which
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tries to be totalitarian which can keep
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people who know from learning anything
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you can’t do it once you allow copy
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machines at the end of totalitarianism
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okay but they wanted they wanted they
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want to prohibit copying machines mostly
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they want they want a modern world in
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one high-tech how can you have high-tech
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without copy machines personal computers
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ok am a personal computers go on the
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totalitarian of them hermetically sealed
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country you can’t do it so the very the
20:01
force of modern technology the force of
20:03
industrial revolution requires free the
20:05
free market and the becoming obvious to
20:08
the even the leadership much less the
20:10
public and the communist countries and
20:13
he said this is the beginning of that
20:14
mold chain of copy centers okay this
20:16
just tip of the iceberg they’re only the
20:19
only countries now there are two
20:20
countries that think I mean I could be
20:22
corrected on us there could two
20:23
countries in the world which still
20:24
prohibit typewriters among the public in
20:27
order to have a typewriter our
20:28
government license have to be carefully
20:30
investigated nor line one of the Albania
20:33
which is sort of ok what can I say well
20:36
means the place that nobody wants to go
20:37
you know Manian okay
20:39
come tourists go to Albania for an
20:41
excellent reason and an Iraq where the
20:45
heroic free world leader Saddam Hussein
20:48
monster who you know every peasant part
20:52
of the picture of Hussein on how to the
20:54
war why he shot outside of that all
20:58
countries permit typewriters and they’re
21:00
gonna submit copies centers I gotta
21:02
submit personal computers all the rest
21:03
of it I think nowhere so what we have we
21:08
see that is all that they breaking up of
21:09
homecoming
21:10
put your communist totalitarian center
21:12
that all the books we’ve read we’ve
21:14
grown up on you picturing communism is a
21:18
Russian monolith but very efficient
21:21
monolith by the way satanic the usual
21:24
right-wing picture because a cold war
21:25
picture of Russia with our communism is
21:27
over satanic
21:29
brilliantly efficient monolithic
21:30
movement organized by the Kremlin which
21:33
is gonna take over unless we nuke them
21:34
ooh come in right away and the whole
21:37
thing is holding is now obsolete if it
21:39
were true at all which I don’t think it
21:40
was certainly now obsolete you can’t
21:41
keep saying that anymore the whole thing
21:42
that was up like reading about some 17th
21:44
century cult because the whole thing is
21:47
now cracking up they’re even attacking
21:50
one in them well sure they really
21:51
attacking marks some of the radical
21:54
maybe the whole thing starts with marks
21:55
with them must be this whole business
21:58
they’re publishing soldier listen they
22:00
don’t know what anything is I mean
22:01
Yeltsin is gonna I mean to think of a
22:03
nationwide Soviet television a guy gets
22:05
up from Sylvia Congress and bitterly
22:07
attacked the KGB I mean this Olympic
22:09
wrestler tax of bitterly anything we
22:11
could have seventy Athena the same thing
22:13
and the head of the KGB gets up and says
22:15
when you’re right but that wasn’t my
22:16
regime I’m just I just came in there I’m
22:18
in a reform at now he’s speaking like an
22:22
American politician there’s a great can
22:28
I come by the way in Russia and in
22:29
Poland now of course they had a man once
22:31
that I’m more democratic than we are
22:33
because something they have these guys
22:34
running on impose for elections it’s
22:36
happening around Russia a few months
22:37
gonna happen to pull in this the other
22:39
day and running unopposed
22:41
he crossed our name out they don’t get
22:42
out like that they don’t get a majority
22:43
of a focus of those voting I guess then
22:45
you get defeated no no we’re none of the
22:48
above now operates only in Russia and
22:50
Poland not in the United States in
22:53
Nevada my my state of Nevada there was
22:55
not only but that’s only symbolic does
22:57
mean a damn thing
22:58
there was of none of the above gets a
22:59
majority guy still gets in in Russia and
23:03
Poland now effective okay they did it
23:05
they wit me just caught their names out
23:07
so the marvelous cartoon after the
23:10
Russian election where these top
23:12
communist unopposed communism Moscow and
23:14
Leningrad were defeated and there’s a
23:16
great cartoon of sitting around on a
23:17
panel facing the audience three russian
23:19
peter russian communist politician they
23:20
said one guy says what are we gonna do
23:22
now the other guy says don’t worry we’re
23:23
coming lobby as
23:27
so nothing the American good ol American
23:30
practice so so I’d say these are
23:34
fantastic thing I’m my own personal
23:36
experience goes along with us I wasn’t I
23:39
was not on any of these countries at the
23:42
recent glass those period but twice and
23:44
hungry and twice in Poland it’s kind of
23:46
interesting the first time I was in
23:49
Hungary is something quite a few years
23:51
ago and going in you know coming US
23:52
countries the tour guy go on a bus tour
23:54
of Budapest or horse or whatever the bus
23:57
guys are all trained operatives coming
23:59
at sporty upper right chicks and not so
24:01
dumb dumb like have United States before
24:03
they know the name of the square they’re
24:05
highly trained intelligent abroad chicks
24:08
so this this bus tour guy was giving us
24:11
you go to the main square of Budapest or
24:14
a toll of a hundred statute of great
24:16
heroes on you’re hungry I can tell the
24:18
Hun I get you not ah
24:20
I’ve haven’t told a hundred vision of me
24:23
here anyway go to the square you see
24:25
these guys hanging around up after no
24:28
doesn’t look good in a square they and
24:30
the bus guy says don’t don’t talk to
24:31
these evil Memphis they sent you
24:33
counterfeit currency you know what
24:34
they’re really doing for something
24:35
selling you a black market
24:36
Florence Nigerian currency a much better
24:39
rating gun government rate these are
24:41
things they were there they the
24:43
government had not stamp them out they
24:44
were there was an open visible black
24:45
market and the torah’ I’m just saying
24:48
don’t these are these are bad men and
24:50
Senor counterfeits no the next time
24:52
wasn’t hungry that was last year for
24:54
five years after that the cool guy was
24:57
some of the beginning we sat down on the
24:59
bus until the end a guy was a packing
25:00
the government there the entire time
25:02
they’re cooks and tyrants coming up as
25:05
those I’m in the whole time scream which
25:08
is magnificent and and Hungary the whole
25:13
thing the whole thing nobody they’re
25:14
sitting around discussing but there’s a
25:17
multi-party system coming up most of the
25:19
parties are 15 put socialism on their
25:21
single platform no no we’re against
25:22
social negotiation the government covers
25:24
the can we put in socialism freedom
25:26
within social no toss it out an Estonian
25:30
laughing in Lithuania Estonia communism
25:32
now favor of private property rights
25:34
free markets made the whole bit
25:36
extremely limited government is the
25:37
whole thing I mean he was totally
25:38
co-opted just great in in Poland I was
25:43
polling twice the first time this was a
25:46
conference organized by English
25:48
conservatives the Englishman sort of
25:49
sent me a libertarian conservative as
25:51
you call it and in polis is a three four
25:54
years I guess four years ago and I was a
25:59
conference of Greater intellectually
26:00
very free the guy in Victoria’s obvious
26:02
coming his party spine I’m sure
26:04
everybody knew it okay and at the
26:07
conference of the God was I mean tour
26:09
guide use doing sitting on calm pink
26:10
scholarly papers right he was sitting at
26:13
every comedy paying particular attention
26:14
the old Pope didn’t care about obviously
26:16
there’s capitalist pignon of that I
26:18
think I’m Americans of British the poles
26:21
are all denounced the government for the
26:23
beginning of the conference in the end
26:24
all evil and the Polish intellectuals
26:26
spread a spectrum was from dissident
26:29
Marxist to the Catholic traditionalist
26:32
the libertarians okay and and they work
26:34
on state level just announcing a
26:36
government pull it up post and they’ve
26:38
read my stuff that red meat they’ve read
26:40
everybody and Poland just great and so
26:44
the next next year after that second
26:48
year same thing except I saw that
26:50
dissident Marxists are gone you know
26:52
left where the traditional wasn’t the
26:53
end they libertarian weird science was
26:55
like I rarely wear the mark semantics we
26:57
don’t need them this year the previous
27:00
year the easing was a cover the
27:01
government could allow the conference by
27:02
the by the next year which is like two
27:04
years ago I didn’t need to cover anymore
27:05
and the tour guy was not Excel via
27:07
danger and they’re hoping though there
27:08
were no agents anymore the whole thing’s
27:10
obviously much freer and it was before
27:12
so uh as a matter of fact the end of the
27:16
so now the first year of pulling my leg
27:18
whether it was a Soviet agent there make
27:20
government agents there at the end of
27:23
the final banquet the director of our
27:26
conference here I raised a total of
27:28
nobody misunderstands the meaning of
27:29
this or something
27:30
I took the toasters to a free sovereign
27:33
and Catholic Poland everybody toasted
27:35
including the Soviet a government agent
27:37
come in today sunny right the whole the
27:41
whole thing is just magnificent to see
27:44
it and in tremendous firm and one of the
27:48
things that has fiber a moving was I
27:49
forget whether this is pulling or hungry
27:51
one of these countries American
27:53
television of the demonstration against
27:55
the government a few months ago and one
27:57
of these and one of them hurt and one of
27:59
the people in the crowd was being
28:00
interviewed of it I guess an American
28:02
station whatever and and the guy said
28:05
please people in the West help us help
28:07
us to give us a role model something how
28:09
was the V State eyes we’re very great
28:11
how do we eat social how are you out of
28:12
a stun everybody want to get rid of the
28:14
government we want it’s a real
28:15
government control the rest of it the
28:17
interesting things we sort of it ticks
28:18
me off is we’ve had 40 years now think
28:22
tanks right-wing foundations scholarly
28:26
research grants and all the rest of them
28:27
must be millions of dollars pointing to
28:28
the stuffin nobody no one of them I said
28:30
how do we tell the guy how does a
28:31
communist government be spayed eyes
28:33
frozen you say okay we’ve read Mises we
28:35
read we’ve read them Friedman or
28:37
whatever it is you and become Ackley the
28:39
whole thing doesn’t work how do we the
28:41
state I’ve blank out nothing right
28:44
I mean so much resources going to the
28:46
how many nucleus through weights we
28:47
should have you know nobody so how do
28:49
they how they get rid of goddamn thing
28:50
and that’s one piece of research we move
28:53
on until I mean Friedman had interesting
28:55
article in Newsweek about ten years ago
28:56
the waited one in waves of these state
28:59
Isis give everybody a share and then
29:01
agree on TVA you wake up on the morning
29:02
on a here’s a share of TVA which you’re
29:04
not vegan now negotiate well it’s one
29:06
way to do other thing is know very few
29:08
people thought about this how do you do
29:09
it how do you take this whole rotten
29:11
government-owned control system and BCD
29:14
state isin and one of the reasons for
29:17
this and one of the reasons why is that
29:18
further personally for the big break
29:21
between libertarians conservatives many
29:22
years ago the Conservatives the
29:24
conservative viewers this could never
29:25
happen can ever have these betas a
29:28
a conservative doctrine is and this is I
29:30
think the fundamental error
29:31
conservatives in this whole thing and
29:33
the once a company becomes communist
29:34
that’s it like a black hole disappears
29:37
from history becomes part of a satanic
29:39
monolith well now it turns out they’re
29:42
wrong that’s not a black hole people
29:44
have erupted the whole thing is
29:45
imploding exploding whatever and so a
29:50
conservative not yet adjusted of us mr.
29:53
George some of them have a very
29:54
interesting how you see conservatives on
29:56
television some of them saying hate it
29:57
don’t quote there’s no more Cold War
29:59
there’s no more again what is it the
30:01
whole thing is falling apart and this
30:03
and that that’s another I think
30:05
interesting aspect of all this is that
30:09
is the an implication for American
30:13
politics and if there’s no more
30:17
communists to come he isn’t falling
30:19
apart there’s no soap world communist
30:21
threat what’s the point of a cold war
30:22
why do you have these these two thousand
30:24
and nine hundred this woman what about
30:25
how it is why we have to spend I’m
30:27
peeing trunnion all’s I’m a missile
30:28
program and then not very common but
30:31
they’re industrial complex why indeed
30:34
and so this creates a whole new
30:36
political situation in the United States
30:38
which is bound up continuing them and
30:40
get and get more intense the whole
30:43
that’s the whole change of the whole
30:44
change of realignment ideological
30:47
reading one and everything else coming
30:48
from the fact the coming isn’t
30:49
disappearing and cracking up and a cold
30:51
war threat of therefore over and it’ll
30:54
take quite a while because they’re the
30:55
best of interest in it for people who
30:57
realize it and oddly enough is biggie
31:00
Brzezinski is one of the few people I’m
31:02
have very little use for as biggie but
31:05
one of the people he’s really sort of
31:07
seen as he’s this written the book all
31:08
of that I think called death of
31:09
communist okay but I’m few people
31:11
realize whole thing is over this whole
31:12
thing is a fundamental change and in
31:15
current history and there’s kind of a
31:19
museum New York time it does not does
31:21
not often go into humor those of you
31:23
familiar with a good rating New York
31:25
Times and except for Russell Baker’s
31:27
column and gone with nothing ever funny
31:29
in this very stately publication and
31:32
they actually had a funny article yeah I
31:33
think consciously funny thank you uh-huh
31:37
New York Times about a year ago no
31:39
ending
31:39
and as reporter was amidst was the over
31:42
investigating I’m dealing with the farm
31:44
was known as the farm policy community a
31:46
lovely term one the guys who live all
31:49
government grants comes something
31:50
feeding or lattice study through weights
31:53
and form geopolitics and foreign policy
31:55
and all that then we’ll worry about
31:56
maybe the Cold War’s over what’s kind of
31:57
half of the foreign policy community
31:59
right no more war okay so and they have
32:04
had they’ve had many conferences on this
32:06
as you can imagine as a swanky hotels
32:08
all over the world trying to figure out
32:09
it is this is like all the good times
32:12
over for the foreign policy community
32:16
and they’ve concluded now don’t worry
32:18
about it there’s always something goes
32:19
the Ayatollah for now dead there’s only
32:22
some threat somewhere which we did in
32:24
the manufacture or help along or
32:25
whatever highlight put it that way and
32:28
keep this whole damn thing going people
32:29
keep on military industrial scam going
32:32
so apparently they relax lead to some
32:35
extent and but it’s uh but it’s
32:39
phenomenal things it’s all these
32:40
phenomenal and I think even the
32:43
Ayatollah persons now die that’s I don’t
32:45
find somebody’s always confidant they
32:46
didn’t dig out for supporting economy
32:50
Noriega for whom I have service sneaking
32:51
sneaking an admiration holding fasting
32:55
despite all the entire way of the United
32:57
States history
32:59
I still there any right the Israelis but
33:04
be very difficult to continue this from
33:06
one period of time trying to get
33:08
terrible satanic threats out something
33:10
like Noriega this is somehow doesn’t
33:11
that doesn’t that doesn’t really work
33:14
run up a flag on that but the mana thing
33:17
at me even an even in China before this
33:18
terrible situation even in China
33:20
fascinating thing and this is surely
33:23
before the crisis program there was two
33:26
interesting happens in one week just so
33:28
happens a coincident over one week Mises
33:30
Institute from which I which I’m located
33:33
and now I have a vice-president of which
33:35
is a person straight late day fare out
33:37
of it kind of got a message for the
33:41
Chinese embassy in Washington I think
33:42
one of roll the works of Ludwig von
33:44
Mises they want to find out figure out
33:45
how do these socialized I reckon I mean
33:48
who else is reading worth of loading on
33:49
me
33:49
something out the US government so uh
33:53
they wanna they want to read Louise
33:55
mommy and wanna be my stuff they want to
33:56
read stuff how did these social life
33:58
worry about socialism the meantime that
34:00
same week is a little AP dispatch from
34:02
China the Chinese government worried
34:04
because over the last two or three years
34:06
eighteen hundred tax collectors been
34:07
beaten up and killed some aces are
34:14
rising up and the first thing do is get
34:15
the goddamn tax collector so and even
34:21
even with the even a terrible situation
34:22
in China you have like because these
34:24
poor guys on television and the crysta
34:26
the fantastic whole thing’s a fantastic
34:28
situation and and they said that keeps
34:30
saying to the reporters don’t worry the
34:32
People’s Army can’t she can’t shoot the
34:34
people it seems like it seemed to them
34:36
like elementary Detroit how could the
34:37
People’s Army shoot the people first and
34:39
turnout the People’s Army didn’t shoot
34:40
the people and with a lesson of
34:42
Wallace’s reports in Reno such things
34:43
with people adore me or people
34:44
government people and the government are
34:47
different I think they’ve learned
34:48
unfortunately wearing a lesson for me
34:49
Massacre I mean the thing is that all
34:53
the myths of socialism the collective
34:55
the economic mess ideological Nets all
34:56
the rest of us are fully important
34:58
becoming evidently crazy and ridiculous
35:00
evidently living Emperor’s clothes being
35:03
stripped off the Emperor so and what’s
35:05
happening as I say the rule has been the
35:07
Marxist the voice said when our Marxist
35:09
our great analyst of revolution they’re
35:10
interested in revolution how they work
35:12
how they not work how do they win in the
35:14
lap and mark centers have said for a
35:16
long time as the no no ruling class will
35:18
ever voluntarily give up their power
35:20
damage is very true or except if they’re
35:22
only class loses its will build of power
35:24
something happens the ruling elite but
35:26
begin a crack what happened in Russia
35:28
1917 there weren’t that many Bolsheviks
35:32
around how they take over it’s a huge
35:33
country a big state apparatus a big big
35:35
secret police and all the rest of it
35:37
which essentially the Communist just
35:38
took over and expanded how do they lose
35:41
and and where they lost become for one
35:44
thing the bully elite lost its Wilma
35:46
power they didn’t know what the hell to
35:47
do they were they had a big war on their
35:49
hands which they were losing they’re
35:51
losing the war there were people there
35:52
were soldiers were leaving the front
35:54
shooting their officers and walking home
35:56
all over Russia World War one and and
36:00
the
36:01
and the Russian government and all the
36:02
Russian political parties except the
36:04
Bolsheviks were committed to continuing
36:05
the war forever totally insane
36:07
commitment we have to not have to fight
36:09
German and Parrilla that’s it and so
36:11
with this situation with this commitment
36:13
of the contain we didn’t know what that
36:14
could do they were losing the war
36:16
there’s no how the legitimacy was being
36:18
questioned they essentially quick
36:19
essentially big sections of the ruling
36:23
elite hive dog and the same thing is
36:26
happening
36:26
I mean system right now so the Communist
36:28
leadership doesn’t know what to do they
36:30
said this whole thing is hopeless and we
36:32
quit the interesting thing is the very
36:34
interesting article which I recommend on
36:35
this whole thing Timothy Garton ash was
36:37
an English pre-market person right so
36:40
the spectator anyway I also writes in
36:41
New York Review of Books
36:42
I’m hungry in Poland those are his two
36:44
areas of expertise are very interesting
36:46
article about 2/3 that two weeks ago the
36:48
last issue and he just came back hungry
36:51
in Poland even he was excited by Erika’s
36:53
he’s on top of the situation he he was
36:55
amazed that what’s happening and one of
36:57
the things that the rulli a leader
36:58
hungry for example realize all things
36:59
shots they do them doesn’t work they
37:01
want to get out of this didn’t want to
37:03
they want to surrender they want to get
37:05
out of it however without getting a
37:06
throats cut and also men can either beat
37:08
some economic privileges and I want to
37:11
become capitalist I want to smooth the
37:13
transition between socialism and
37:14
capitalism and keep keep some of their
37:16
perks
37:17
that’s essentially what they want to do
37:18
and no man caught or okay now trying to
37:20
find that what these negotiations are
37:22
going on Poland Hungary essentially
37:23
negotiation how to do that I’ll let
37:25
these guys off the hook I get them out
37:27
of power now find a way to do it means
37:30
no precedent for this is one of the I
37:31
think a hunger Hungarian officials said
37:33
look there’s the plenty of and if you
37:35
look read the political science
37:36
textbooks they’re plenty of lessons how
37:38
difficult it is to achieve power gain
37:41
power but nothing a no textbook the
37:44
discussion of how to kind of give up
37:45
power how do you give it up now you
37:47
smoothly give it up but you do what if
37:49
one of the processes
37:50
I’m doing it now or is the one of the
37:53
Russian and polish jokes now political
37:55
jokes circulating Russian Poland is the
37:57
long what’s the longest way but what’s
37:59
the longest route what’s the longest
38:02
route the capitalism and the answer is
38:04
the moment
38:05
capitalism to socialism back to camp I
38:07
wasn’t happy that’s the longest route
38:09
and which is right there they’re
38:10
pursuing at the present time so we have
38:14
in other words a fantastically exciting
38:15
situation right away in the facing a
38:17
21st century which pits bids promised to
38:20
be the you the century of freedom
38:21
contrast the 20th century and century
38:23
socialism and that means for the
38:25
domestic front I guess now domestic
38:27
politics and means that tremendous
38:29
opportunity for the carrying us and we
38:30
have we face a situation just so happen
38:33
the coincidentally coincidental of
38:34
history we face an American political
38:36
scene where the rhythm of the beloved
38:38
leader the president is no longer a
38:40
charismatic marketizing figure in
38:43
American politics mean we have eight
38:45
years of Reagan miserable years our
38:47
concern and eight years a total blight
38:50
that’s where everybody loving everybody
38:52
exception myself crazy my right
38:56
crazy American anything that was great
38:59
and a totally you floated above the
39:01
political scene so I’m showering what
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singing everybody and then and so what I
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mean limit them it’s a miracle McCarran
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party survive till the age arrangements
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tomorrow but everything else and we
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shouldn’t raipur by the fact we have not
39:17
that many votes anyway how would we
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survive it’s great tonight so so now we
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have George Bush even though nobody
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loves George Bush if it’s possible
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exception was family and he’s not a
39:29
charismatic so you’re not an organizing
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anybody the whole thing is now erupting
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I mean I think Bush was in powerful one
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week we had a magnificent
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uh talk show host anti-government breeze
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revolution remain nothing he’s great
39:43
he’s basses when I give themselves a
39:44
raise Congress top government officials
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judges they deserve a raise my goodness
39:50
I’m not a raisin the huge horrible thing
39:52
we’re gonna getting eight hundred
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thousands all the year now it should be
39:55
getting a double at or whatever so and
39:58
we’re gonna smooth going to do and have
40:00
a vote on had a phony kick my part of
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the Commission set up one thing I by the
40:04
way one of my least favorite things in
40:05
politics are my part of the Commission
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why Chapel is always but in both parties
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gonna pick your pocket and send them so
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the bypass Commission oh yes we need
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where we need gawky how can you attract
40:19
good people government if y’all give him
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a big raise
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who wants good people in government good
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be a private sector helping us and
40:25
helping themselves out the private
40:27
sector being productive we wants Mosin
40:29
government we want people can’t find the
40:34
doorknob why waste productive people in
40:40
role of looting the taxpayer so we so
40:45
and they gonna go through great smooth
40:47
everyone I love the Reagan was for
40:48
Bushman’s for everybody only
40:50
establishing a whole little ball and
40:51
pundits liberal conservative all the
40:53
rest of it and suddenly the masses erupt
40:55
talk show host moaning erupts you
40:57
bastard you’re will you so pay raise how
40:59
dare you but yourself a pay raise are
41:01
expensive simple dramatic and the early
41:03
19th century brother I forget the year
41:05
some eighteen thirteen or something like
41:07
that Congress voted itself a pay rate
41:08
and it’s small teeny parent my god
41:10
McCauley see it now and they won’t kick
41:12
that in the next election some uprising
41:14
of it my part is an uprising the public
41:16
how dare you guys but yourself up areas
41:18
are expensive near you and bingo they’re
41:21
all out and this happens the great thing
41:23
touch of the the interesting thing is
41:25
the public choice school of economics a
41:27
distinguished free-market school is
41:29
totally can’t understand this at all
41:31
over the public choice school if special
41:33
efforts will always win
41:34
we gotta win because who cares about
41:35
wrong lousy pay right it’s only drop of
41:37
a bucket Congress gives itself a 50% pay
41:39
rate is nothing compared to the you know
41:41
two trillion dollar whoever it is in the
41:43
budget but people that they’ve read they
41:45
people know where the public choice
41:46
economist no no I’ll do you guys well
41:48
yourself a favor a and people here up
41:51
them is just great so that was there was
41:53
that implicitly another eruption took
41:55
place about the same week I think
41:57
another massive eruption of mass
41:59
libertarian sentiment against the
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proposed tax if you remember the poza
42:04
didn’t call a tax of course as a
42:05
violated Bush’s no tax increase pledge
42:08
it was a fee increase
42:12
for for having a bank deposit you have a
42:16
bank deposit a 25 cents on $100 fee
42:19
quote-unquote of the government that
42:20
doesn’t fly either in fact that was shot
42:22
down in four hours I mean that was just
42:25
magnificent I mean I remember it was a
42:26
proposed at 10:00 on the morning by
42:28
Secretary of Treasury Brady is a trial
42:29
balloon plugin how about a fee my two
42:35
o’clock I think about the crossfire
42:36
would over is honest that’s all chuckle
42:38
dead I mean both Democrats vote
42:39
conservative or whatever then finished I
42:42
better stay there better not talk about
42:44
again they value in there a little light
42:45
yeah was that for hours the eruption
42:48
against my football fee increase save
42:50
they have a bio even in the Reagan
42:52
administration and the proposed tax on
42:54
but but holding tax on interest and
42:56
dividend that was that was killed when
42:58
things were public eruption so now we
42:59
have a little bit the basic libertarian
43:01
sentiment of much of the public is now
43:02
free to move again Peter Acton and do
43:05
stuff because they’re removed from the
43:07
Blake Reagan white and and the free to
43:10
express themselves and also you’ve got
43:12
some hot topics here you’ve got for
43:14
example 100 it’s cold 100 billion dollar
43:17
baby every month with a twenty billion
43:19
dollar increase in estimated cost of
43:20
bailing out these rotten S&L; banks I’m
43:22
sure of course you’re having Texas
43:23
you’re in the forefront here in Texas a
43:26
cutting edge of bankrupt banks up cook
43:29
at SNL okay so Baylin wall out this is
43:32
now is 120 B who knows I mean but
43:34
nobody’s against it except with
43:35
Rotarians I couldn’t say so there are
43:39
lots of issues to talk about and the
43:41
fact that the the socialism doesn’t work
43:43
it’s now shot and in midst of all lists
43:47
all these permanent opportunity domestic
43:49
and foreign and very anti cool were
43:50
almost of a tremendous opportunities for
43:52
freedom to libertarian party what is the
43:54
National Libertarian Party doing about
43:55
it what words are coming with words
43:58
inspirational words are coming from the
43:59
front beloved leadership and Washington
44:01
National military partnership what I
44:04
mean is already right were there any LP
44:06
signs demonstrating with the Chinese
44:08
students in New York or Washington
44:10
I mean man they answering your own
44:12
question of course not zip zilch nothing
44:14
peanuts now when I was on the old days I
44:17
was on National Committee we didn’t do a
44:18
hell of a lot but at least we have we
44:20
pass resolution
44:21
okay doesn’t sound like the least selmak
44:24
some attention was paid or what’s going
44:25
on a world
44:26
matcom Medan be SEMA grenade were there
44:28
any statement of support china the
44:30
chinese thing we’re just erupting now
44:31
got any stage of sickness rapport with
44:33
chinese students were shining for
44:35
freedom in democracy with anything no
44:36
those thing no only there was Mike Matt
44:38
Monro another confident people are in
44:39
the back or the front back front and
44:41
back so mad calm and that national part
44:45
we’re hearing party leadership at the
44:46
time tremendous opportunity wheel world
44:48
opportunities for freedom real fantastic
44:50
things are happening or what are they
44:51
doing they’re playing their own petty
44:53
rackets and and that and vilifying
44:56
competent people trying to get something
44:57
done before t grow so that’s the
45:00
situation is association of tremendous
45:01
opportunity once again tremendous real
45:04
world opportunities for freedom and for
45:06
libertarianism and almost nothing being
45:08
done on the concrete level by the party
45:09
a party leadership and i think a lot of
45:12
good state parties i don’t think that
45:14
that’s the problem with a national
45:15
leadership and maybe it’s something to
45:17
be done and fold out the about it boys
45:19
always hopeful about this health it can
45:21
kick out the the russian leadership and
45:24
a Polish leadership Yara’s else can
45:26
something become a liberal for me or
45:28
some monster repressor and even
45:29
hopefully LP even hope for an that calm
45:32
okay thank you very much

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